Stay For 30 Or Retire At 27?

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Last month I had a 2400-word e-mail conversation about financial independence. A reader asked:

“I’m on active duty and struggling with the idea of getting out at 27 years to start a bridge career. If I wait three more years to get my full 30, the longevity pay raise and my extra years of service mean that my pension would be 15% higher. If l get out at a full 30 years I’ll be 58 years old.. I have a better opportunity now to get what seems to be a great civilian job. The money will be good and I’ll be able to contribute to another 401(k) but I’ll still be taxed heavily. I’ve saved a few hundred thousand over the years.

Is is it better just to stay the extra three years to get the full 30 or break ranks now to start the bridge career? Very interested in your thoughts.”

Every retirement plan has several moving parts. The more of them that you control, the happier you’ll be. I just turned 54 years old so I keenly appreciate this situation. I’m going to focus on the lifestyle issues before I get around to the financials, and then I’m going to conclude with more lifestyle recommendations.

 

Lifestyle

I frequently hear from active-duty servicemembers who’ve been given an “unrefuseable offer” from the assignment officer. Their only other option is to retire (before they’re really ready) or even resign for the Reserve/Guard. If you’re having fun and you think that you (and your family) will be treated fairly well for the next few years, then I’d keep going to 30.

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Looking back, how will you feel?

If the fun is dwindling (or if your family is tired of the transfers) then it’s time to retire. For some servicemembers that epiphany is a blinding flash of the obvious, and for others it’s decided over several months of conversations with family & friends. For a few parents, it’s their teen in high school who would mutiny and find a foster family rather than move to a new school. In these situations I suggest retiring now instead of 30 because of the mental, emotional, and physical stress on you and your family— in both military and civilian careers. I hear many stories about servicemembers & civilians struggling with high blood pressure, weight, stress headaches, and more medical issues. When they retire (and remove the stress), suddenly their BP drops 40 points and they drop 20 pounds without even trying. If you grimly clench your jaw and hang on for another three years for an extra 15% pension, you would not feel that it’s worth it. Even worse, while you’re hanging on you might have a health emergency (or a family crisis) with long-lasting repercussions.

Before retirement, everyone worries about what they’ll do all day. Six months after retirement they’re all wondering what the heck they were worried about. Ernie Zelinski’s “Get-A-Life Tree” is a great thought-provoking way to rediscover the interests that will keep you going for years.

One of my good friends used to worry about how he’d spend his time after active duty. He’s now a military retiree who’s worked a bridge career for the last three years because he was concerned about how he’d fill his days without a job. However during those three years he’s realized that the job is interfering with his retiree lifestyle. The months of his bridge career have given him the time (and self-confidence) to figure out what he wants to do all day.

 

Commitment and service

Once you retire from active duty (at 27 years or at 30), you could consider part-time and consulting work instead of leaping right into another full-time job. When you have time & energy to pursue your interests, the money frequently follows. These part-time jobs rarely show up in the hiring manager’s databases, but you’ll develop an extensive contact network.

Some occupations (doctors, lawyers, university professors, serial entrepreneurs) have little reason to stop working– they’re doing what they love and they don’t want to stop.

However it can also be extremely difficult to find a job in your 50s unless you have a niche skill set or a firm offer already on the table. If someone’s already trying to hire you at 27 years before you’re even on terminal leave, then you won’t have to balance the security of three more years in uniform against the uncertainty of prolonged unemployment during a job search. In that case I’d base my decision on the merits of the jobs. As Malcolm Gladwell wrote in “Outliers”, I’d place more weight on the factors of the job’s fulfillment, complexity, and autonomy. I wouldn’t place as much weight on the salary.

Maybe you plan to work after the military regardless of your finances. In that case it’s definitely easier to get hired now than at age 58. Job-seekers call it age discrimination, but employers only see it as the number of years that you’d be working until the traditional corporate retirement age of 65. They’d rather hire once every decade than once every seven years. Hiring managers don’t care whether you plan to stop working at age 65 or 85– they just know that they have a hard time retaining people past 65.

Some veterans still feel a strong commitment to serve and to take care of others. Some may want to see what they can do in a civilian career. A few may even worry whether they can hack it in the civilian world. Those few might have a military inferiority complex: they don’t have any civilian workforce experience so they assume that their military skills are worthless. Everyone in these groups could immediately go out and nail down a civilian career for a few years, but they might be able to achieve the same results by volunteering with non-profits or by serving on corporate boards. The advantage of these alternatives is that it’s much easier to find a volunteer or part-time job than it is to launch a civilian career in your 50s. It also gives you the flexibility to adjust your level of commitment instead of locking yourself into a full-time workweek.

One more point about job autonomy: when you retire then you (and your family) may want to spend more time on recreation, leisure, and travel. You may find that you want a few months off every year to travel or pursue other interests. If you feel comfortable with your finances then you may develop a strong preference for part-time or consulting instead of a full workweek.

 

Finances

There are several other reasons why people choose to work after retiring from the military. The financial reason is pretty straightforward if the servicemember had large student loans, or an excessively consumerism lifestyle, or a divorce, or several kids to put through college. If you’re feeling uncomfortable with your current finances, then three more years of savings (and the higher pension) will definitely cover any gaps.

But how would you feel if you worked for all those extra months and then realized (during retirement) that you’d overshot the mark? It’s probably better to analyze your finances now and see whether you can retire now instead of slaving away for three more years just to build your confidence. The real value of your pension is not the 15% difference. The real value comes from the pension’s cost of living adjustment and the cheap health insurance. Unless you’re planning to buy an airplane or join Pebble Beach Country Club, you’ll probably be fine with your current finances– and perhaps some part-time work during retirement.

Do you feel financially compelled to work after the military? You’ve mentioned your retirement income and your assets, but another critical variable in retirement math is your spending. If your retirement expenses (including taxes) are less than your military pension then you have no financial reason to stay on active duty. If your retirement expenses are a little higher than your pension then you still have enough savings to retire now. You have to be very familiar with your current spending and then figure out what expenses you’d change in retirement.

Anecdotally, most senior officers and enlisted who’ve retired with more than 26 years of service are now happily living within their pensions. Admittedly my data is coming from people who were burned out and who would rather trade a little money for a lot more control over their time. However when you’re retired you’ll have the time (and the energy) to figure out precisely which spending brings you value. You’ll live where you want to, not where you’re stationed. You’ll shop for bargains and buy at a discount. You’ll review all of your insurance policies and your utility bills and get only what you really want. You’ll decide what parts of home maintenance & yardwork you care to do on your own, and what parts you want to outsource. You’ll travel more cheaply because you’ll be flexible on airfare (or Space-A) and you’ll stay longer– living local in apartments for weeks instead of a few days at high-priced resorts. You’ll have the free time to do more of your own cooking (if you want to) and spend less on convenience foods.

 

Lifestyle again

Here’s a final thought: I’ve been retired for over 12 years. I do a lot of volunteer work. I’m not even seeking paid employment, yet I still get an offer or two every year. If I decided to put some real effort into my writing then I’d be earning $25K/year with only 10 hours/week. Yet I have enough money, and I value my time more highly than wealth. I don’t mind work but I insist on the flexibility to travel without deadlines and to surf whenever the waves are passing through.

He responded:

“I met with my financial advisor. Even with the bridge career’s higher salary and maximizing its 401(k) and matching contributions, he demonstrated that going to 30 is more beneficial to my very long term finances.
I have no family or health issues with the extra three years but I am feeling a little burned out. We enjoy the outdoor recreation at this duty station. We bought a home that is not extravagant and I could simply move back here after the three more years and pick up on the activities that we’ve enjoyed. However we are leaving a lot of family and friends and I’d lose some of my network upon returning in three years.
The bridge career is good, but I feel that it is a very long term commitment. If I retire at 27 years instead of 30, the financial model suggested that I should work all the way out to 62 years old.. This could be a little bit of a grind even in the most ideal circumstance, since it’s corporate America style work and all the trimmings that come with it.
It’s funny how I can go years without a thought about such things and then all of a sudden it’s crunch time in dealing with a difficult decision. I think the best answer is stay the 30 and then get out with a renewed sense of controlling lifestyle spending. Easier for me maybe a little bit more difficult for my spouse. If I took the job and decided after two years it wasn’t for me (or got laid off) I would definitely look back and say I should’ve stayed in uniform until 30.
So I’ve made a decision to re-up with the military for three more years. I think I’ll fulfill this obligation pretty easily. Your perspective helped sway me. Even though my retirement cash flow may not be optimal, if I take your suggestions on spending I should do quite well.”

I think you have the right idea on looking back later and deciding that you’d rather have 30 years.

Everyone worries about losing their network if they’re away for three years, but that might also show you who your real friends are. You’ll keep in touch with your friends (especially through social media) and then you’ll pick back up when you return.

If you have the chance before you transfer, try to attend your service’s senior transition class or a Ruehlin seminar. It’s even better if your spouse is able to sit through it with you to hear the same concerns and questions. When you get to your new duty station, try to make the time to do it again (and with her if possible). You guys both want to know all about your finances (and be comfortable with your choices). Then you can make the decisions on whether she wants the Survivor Benefit Plan and when you’ll start Social Security.

There are two schools of thought about controlling the lifestyle spending in retirement. One is that you’ll have three years of paychecks to build up a bigger retirement entertainment fund, and you could fence some of that off for “his” and “hers” portions. That way each of you spends their fund without having to feel the obligation to justify it to the other. When your fund is gone then you’d have to either raise more money (part-time work?) or make up the expenses somewhere else.

The other school of thought is “spend it while you can”. Financial planners have claimed for decades that retirement spending follows a predictable three-phase curve of “go-go”, “slow-go”, and “no-go”. In your situation I’d feel comfortable spending every penny of your pension for the first few years of retirement and 4%/year of your savings too. Your spouse’s Social Security survivor benefits will be much higher if you can hold off SS until you’re 70 years old, and if you have that higher income (pension + SS) in your 70s then you could spend a little more of your savings during your 60s.

In my 12 years of retirement, our spending has been relatively flat. Part of that was launching our college daughter from the nest, so we’re spending a lot less on groceries and a lot more on travel. But the most important part of retirement spending is finding what activities really bring you value and budgeting around that.

Let us know how it goes over the next three years!

 

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10 Comments
  1. Reply
    Deserat May 11, 2015 at 7:30 AM

    Another great post, Nords. I’d like to add a wrinkle–for the Reserves,staying long enough to maximize your points to a stream of income that meets your goal ifor retirement s the best decision. The last 10-13 years have been difficult for Reservists (especially in some career fields),however, I believe it will be less so in the next few years. Nevertheless, for most it is part-time and the longer you can stay in, the more the retirement benefits at 60 (and in some cases earlier, for every 30 days of active duty service).

    Your comment on consulting is spot-on – I still do it and plan to do it until I get tired of what I’m doing, which I don’t think will happen anytime soon. I will just get more discriminating on the types of customers I take and how much time I devote to it.

    With regard to civilian benefits – hmm, not as good as military for the most part, however, you usually don’t have the 24X7 requirement, so there is a trade-off. Plus, generally, you don’t have the types of experiences in a civilian job that you do in a military job…makes for great stories 🙂

    • Reply
      Doug Nordman May 13, 2015 at 6:35 AM

      Thanks, Deserat, great points– especially about consulting!

  2. Reply
    Doug Nordman May 6, 2015 at 4:46 AM

    A long-time friend just e-mailed me some commentary on this post. I’ve edited the words to avoid revealing their identity, but I think the sentiments still shine through:

    “Unlike you I decided to make my govt pension my primary means of retirement with O-6 and 30 years as my goal. Ironically I ended up as an O-8 but what I didn’t count on is the impact that stress and a sedentary life would yield. Now I have emerging health problems that may be unresolvable. (Hypertension is one of my new chronic diseases.) Sort of dampens the retirement plan. I’m thinking my major focus will be on health and an exit plan maybe in two years if I can swing it.

    “By the way I tell your story to my daughters. At the end of the day life is about, well, enjoying life. Sitting behind a computer at the beck and call of the bosses is not my idea of the stress free life I was hoping to achieve.

    “Please feel free to let your readers/subscribers know that rank does not equal quality of life. Quality of life is the absence of insane stressors and enjoying life while you have health to do so. While I’m fairly certain I could retire and be a professor or an administrator, I think retiring and teaching kayak lessons is more my speed.”

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    Pat Eliason May 4, 2015 at 4:09 AM

    My calculations are below based on current pay chart and High-3 retirement. Staying in beyond O6 over 26 to O6 over 30 is worth about $10K annually in retirement and using the thumbrule of 25 (drawing 4% annually), that is the same as saving about $230K. However, with a life expectancy of 80 years old, one will actually draw less retirement if they stay in until 30– this is not likely a factor in the decision but is an interesting fact. Bottom line- I agree that unless you are looking at making the next rank and staying for 3 more years, the difference in pension is not enough to warrant taking a horrible set of orders or worse ramifications.

    O6 over 26 retirement (47) $82,297 O6 over 30 retirement (51) $91,242
    Investment equivalent $2,057,436 Investment equivalent $2,281,050
    Total retirement pay (LE-80) $2,715,816 Total retirement pay (LE-80) $2,646,018

    • Reply
      Doug Nordman May 5, 2015 at 5:47 PM

      Thanks, Pat, great analysis!

      I’m not sure there’s any amount of money worth taking a horrible set of orders… but the discussion will certainly help people figure out what’s important in their lives.

  4. Reply
    Peter Gregory May 3, 2015 at 8:23 AM

    Best financial and life advise I ever got.

    -Marry the right person the first time, and make it last.

    -Fail in this, or if this is messed up no amount of financial planning is sufficient, and you are always chasing life trying to make up what should have already been solved. One may be lucky to be the 17% to hang around the Navy for 20 years or more. But at the end you need to come home to somebody and something.

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    Peter Gregory May 1, 2015 at 6:58 AM

    I retired at 23 years at 51. As an 05 I suppose I could have stayed till 28, but in my gut I no longer had the desire or drive to do another 5 years. On the other side of the ledger I had no structural or revolving debt, both kids out of college at the the time, house paid off in 3 years post retirement and has my financial house in order more or less, and had my next career move in line by TAP class.

    Now, hind site 20/20 would I have liked to have had a retirement based upon 28 years, vice 23 years in 2015, sure who wouldn’t. But a military career is not like working for Sears or 7-11. If your end goal the day after your DD 214 is generated is never “work” another day in your life, then that plan should have started year 1, not year 23 or 27. And if that is still a concern post 20 or even 15 years, too late. And to be honest if you are still chasing “more” and never reality come to terms or at peace with “enough”, or understand it, then 27, 28, 30 year career really does not make that much a difference, you will always be chasing “more”.

    • Reply
      Doug Nordman May 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM

      Thanks, Peter, good points!

      I think “leave active duty when the fun stops” is the best advice, and financial independence makes the choice much easier. But leaving active duty for a bridge career is still a better choice than gritting one’s teeth and hanging on for a (bigger) pension.

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        2nd generation May 14, 2015 at 12:51 AM

        My dad is still in at 35 years. I don’t understand why he stays in (or why the Navy has allowed it) but I guess he enjoys it. I feel like a lot of people have their personal identity wrapped around their job and they can’t let go. My wife and I both plan to get out at exactly 20.

        • Doug Nordman May 15, 2015 at 5:19 AM

          2nd, your dad must have a specialty skill that the military still needs.

          Maybe his identity is wrapped up in his job. Maybe he still finds it fulfilling, complex, and fun. Some occupational experts have no reason to ever retire: doctors, lawyers, professors, accountants, and financial advisors all frequently work as long as their cognition and health permit. I think it’s fine to have a personal identity wrapped around a job as long as it does not interfere with work-life balance. That usually only happens when the occupation enables going part-time or working remotely.

          I guess I should add “writers” to that list. I also retired from the military the minute that I reached 20 years, but so far I plan to continue writing for the rest of my life. (My work-life balance involves a lot of surfing, and that’s a big part of my identity too, but I’m happy with it.) You and your spouse will also create your own identities when you retire– and that’s a very good thing!

          Of course we’re all familiar with those who stay on their jobs out of financial fear, or financial ignorance, or because they don’t know what they’d do in retirement. I hope “The Military Guide” book helps them work through those challenges!

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